Earlier than Oct. 7, Israel appeared to many to be sliding right into a “one-state actuality,” the place it had purposeful management over Gaza and the West Financial institution, however the Palestinians who lived there have been denied full rights. In 2021, a bunch of lots of of former senior protection and diplomatic officers in Israel printed a report warning that this was a disaster — for Israel’s safety, its democratic values, its worldwide standing, and its very soul. They usually argued that there was one other manner, that even with out a Palestinian “accomplice for peace,” there was an enormous quantity Israel might do by itself to create the situations for a two-state resolution to emerge sooner or later.
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Nimrod Novik is a fellow on the Israel Coverage Discussion board and a member of the chief committee of Commanders for Israel’s Safety, the group behind the report. He was a senior coverage adviser to Shimon Peres when he was prime minister, and was concerned in all types of negotiations with Palestinians and the Arab world.
I wished to speak to Novik in regards to the plan proposed within the Commanders for Israel’s Safety report, and the way they may have modified in gentle of Oct. 7 and the struggle. We additionally speak by means of what the “day after” would possibly appear to be in Gaza, the immense anger of the Israeli public over the intelligence failure that led as much as the assaults, the choice coalitions constructing in opposition to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and way more.
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